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Men Need Safe Places Too: A Wife's Perspective on Male Mental Health

Aaron Thomas Season 4 Episode 12

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Aaron Thomas explores the evolving definition of masculinity with his wife Yanni, examining how men can find purpose beyond societal expectations and create healthier relationships through emotional intelligence.

• Men today have more opportunity to be themselves beyond traditional provider roles
• Creating safe spaces where men can remove their masks and express vulnerability
• The energy a man brings home shapes the entire household
• Emotional intelligence is often excluded from discussions about manhood due to tradition
• Healthy male friendships provide accountability and encourage personal growth
• Supporting mentors means ensuring they're mentally and emotionally equipped to pour into others
• "Daddy issues" manifest as fear of abandonment and feelings of unworthiness for both men and women
• Women can support men's mental health by being curious and attentive to behavioral changes

If no one's told you today, we want to be the first to tell you that you are loved, needed, wanted, valued, seen, appreciated, and heard. Be who God has called you to be, not who this world wants you to be.


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Speaker 1:

You're listening to Excellence Above Talent, a podcast where we have the hard conversations about the lives of men and what leads us to achieve greatness and suffer defeat. Hear from other men's journeys as well, as we all learn and grow together to become inspirations to ourselves and those around us. And now your host, Aaron Thomas.

Speaker 2:

What's up, my beautiful people, aaron Thomas, with Excellence Above Talent, we're doing this series on the state of manhood and I didn't want just men's point of views, I wanted women's points of views as well. And what better way to start off the women's point of view than my lovely wife Yanni? So she will go ahead and introduce herself, tell you guys all the wonderful things she is doing and inspiring to do, and I'll just sit back and come back on in 15 more minutes.

Speaker 3:

Not 15 minutes. You're not going to play me like that. Hi guys, it's Yanni. I am the host of Standing your Truth podcast with Yanni. What else do I do? I'm in school. I think that's really all that matters, to be honest. So yeah.

Speaker 3:

You have, you just recently started a oh, I'm starting life coaching yes, I completely forgot about that. Okay, which is a new venture that I'm extremely excited about to be able to encourage and hold people accountable for the goals that they have for themselves. So if you're interested in life coaching, hit your girl up you're doing a letters to youth, oh yeah I am doing that.

Speaker 3:

I'm sending letters to. It's not just me, I think. I'm just helping to organize um for the community to be able to send letters to youth in the ector county uh detention center and kind of pour into them and you're also a contractor for marketing. I'm doing a horrible job.

Speaker 2:

You really are. I got you.

Speaker 3:

Yes, I also can help marketing. My passion for marketing really comes with helping nonprofits. I feel like they do amazing work in the community and oftentimes they don't have money or budgets or don't think how important it is to have someone to create their flyers and run their social media. So if you are a non-profit or you know a friend that runs a non-profit that needs a little help, tell them also to hit me up and is it for free or you?

Speaker 2:

you charge a little coin I charge a little coin.

Speaker 3:

Okay, I'm not, it's a non-profit. So I mean, I know you most non-profits have, you know, a budget, may not be the biggest budget, but they have a budget. So I'm one of those ones that, um, I'm passionate about it. So it's a little coin, I won't break your bank but I'll, you know, make you pay a little something, something.

Speaker 2:

Yeah got you all right so with that horrible introduction. That's why that you have backup, because clearly, um, you wasn't ready I don't have to usually have to introduce myself well, you gotta, I guess, get used to that, yeah I'm used to having other people introduce themselves.

Speaker 3:

I can't even tell you the last time I had to introduce myself.

Speaker 2:

Well, you have to on this podcast, all right. So I want to just have a deep dive into the questions. The questions change a little bit, but they still have the same tone as the question that I've asked the men on my podcast as the men on my podcast. So question number one how was, or how have, the definition of masculinity evolved over the past few decades, and what impact does this evolution have on women today?

Speaker 3:

Great question. I think it has involved, involved, evolved I can't even talk evolved that, um in a manner to which I feel like men are now men have more opportunity to be themselves. I feel like before when, like my mom or previous people, talked about men and it was always in a sense of like them, providing like financially, um, or providing some sense of security, in the sense of like, hey, it's late, come out with me and protect me. Where now, when I think about like you and my life, it's yes, you do provide some, not some, but you provide financial stability, um, um, I know that when we go out, you will protect me, but I also know that, um, you are there for me emotionally as well. So I just think men are now able to I don't want to say be themselves, but be themselves out loud is what I think um, how that has involved, evolved. Why is that word such a struggle?

Speaker 2:

for me, because you're trying to mix two words together. Is that what you evolve? Oh well, I'm still saying it wrong. Yeah gosh, it starts with a e, oh uh. Second question in what way can men find purpose beyond societal expectation of status and wealth, and how does this relate to women's?

Speaker 3:

empowerment and to completely be themselves, that they are able to learn more about themselves, and I think it goes back to just being themselves. They don't have to pretend to be or do something they don't want to do.

Speaker 2:

How does that empower women?

Speaker 3:

I think if you have a man that's truly himself, he just he walks different. And this question kind of makes me think about you, because you're you and the way you lead our family is to be completely transparent and I think that reflects on me and then how I am in the community and at work. Does that answer that question?

Speaker 2:

Yeah, it does. So do you think women put a lot of pressure on men to have status and wealth.

Speaker 3:

It's not important to me. I think I'm more worried about you being you and you being happy. You know they have the saying happy wife, happy life. I personally think it's happy partner, happy life me. But at the same time I do feel like there's certain things that I I can do or certain actions that I can take to encourage your happiness. So I think it does play a part okay, uh.

Speaker 2:

question three how does embracing vulnerability among men contribute to healthier relationships with women and a more balanced understanding of masculinity?

Speaker 3:

I think when men have safe places, I just feel like they're just better human beings Better equipped to handle the world. Yes, and maybe not on edge, because they're able to let out their emotions and they're not walking around carrying luggage, even though I'm sure, um, there's things that maybe they don't feel comfortable to release. Um, but I just think when, once they're in touch with their feelings and they have space to kind of release, that it just makes life, I'm sure, easier for them uh number four.

Speaker 2:

Question number four why is emotional intelligence often excluded from discussions about manhood, and how can promoting it in uh importance benefit women and gender equality?

Speaker 3:

I think it goes back to the first question.

Speaker 3:

I think a lot of times men are only looked at as just providers and providers, in a sense, you work 12 hours and you know, bring home the check, your wife spends the check, and that's usually how that goes, um. But I just think it's important, I don't know. I kind of go back to the idea of like the fact that I believe the man leads the household and if the household is only set on him, like you just providing, just with your check, um, constantly working, and you don't have a release, how I just only only can, I can only imagine how that household's being led, because I feel like that man is not truly himself. I think emotional intelligence is often excluded because of tradition. Traditionally, the man is only providing money and that he goes out, he works, he provides. You make his meal first, when you cook, you make sure you have his plate. But I don't think there's really been a lot of discussion about men's mental health and making sure that as a wife, you create a space for men to your husband to release.

Speaker 2:

So I think, just based on tradition and um people getting caught up on that idea, why do you feel it's hard for men to be emotionally intelligent, to open up, to discuss feelings and emotions with the woman they say they love and want to be with forever?

Speaker 3:

So I think if neither party has been taught been taught so whether the woman you know hasn't been taught to create a space for him to, or is not open maybe to that, and if a man is not, you know, he's grew up with maybe his dad being tough and and macho, and so if neither party is aware of it or even knows any better and they don't go seek it, I don't think they're going to know how to cross that bridge.

Speaker 3:

I think, with me going through therapy and being a life coach and interested in mental health, I think I'm a little bit more aware, even though I probably still miss some markers and still have some learning to do there.

Speaker 3:

But I know how important it is for you to be um, to have an out and to, you know, have a good mental health like, especially with you teaching um, you pour a lot into the community. So I feel like when you come home, my job as your wife is to make sure you're okay to go back out the next day to pour into everyone else, and I know I can't control all of your cup and how it's filled, but I do believe, as your helpmate, that part of that is. You know, I feel like my job, yeah, helping fill my cup, yeah, job, and I helping fill, uh, my cup, yeah, and I that's kind of my prayer. Um, when I pray is like you know, lord, give me you know insight to your son. Allow me to you know, know how to be, his, help me for something I'm missing. Let's show me. That's good five.

Speaker 2:

What steps can men take to overcome societal pressure to suppress their emotions, and how can women support this process?

Speaker 3:

I think men have to stop worrying about what other men may think or what people think in general, which is a very hard statement, especially when they don't know if they should go left or go right when it comes to mental health, and I think as a society, we do a horrible job at encouraging men to even look into the mental health or talk about self-care with men. It's always usually women when we talk about self-care, and we're always talking about how you know, mom need a day off and stay at home moms. Well, there's stay at home dads. Well, they're stay-at-home dads too. That is a thing, um, and oftentimes, unfortunately, when you hear about that, it's usually like what, how are you a stay-at home dad? Which is terrible.

Speaker 3:

nobody talks about stay-at-home moms in that same answer, um, same negative connotation so I think to overcome it they have to don't worry about what people say and put themselves first wholeheartedly and not just in a sense of well, just put themselves first.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I was watching something the other day and the guy was like the hierarchy of his family is his wife, his children, then himself, I know, or kids, and they never get to relax or have some time, me time for themselves, to fill their cup back up and to go out and to the family strong. And so I think that's a big issue that a lot of men face. We put this pressure on us to make sure everyone else is good, and I'll keep saying it if we're not good, the family cannot be good.

Speaker 3:

A hundred percent.

Speaker 2:

So it's super important to make sure, like you said, you have to be selfish with your time sometimes when it comes to family to make sure that you can go out there and support and take care of them.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, with you saying that. It's kind of sad Because a lot of times women will be like I need a day off and we'll do it in a quickie.

Speaker 2:

Yeah.

Speaker 3:

So the fact that he thinks that his wife is kissing him if something was to happen because he's not taking care of himself, which often happens- then what?

Speaker 2:

Oh, she'll go find somebody else to take care of her. And then life goes on, ay, ay, ay.

Speaker 3:

The second part I'm not even addressing that. The second part of the question was what can women do to improve this? I think women just really have to stop and slow down.

Speaker 3:

You worry about your kids, you worry about yourself, you worry about your husband's mental health, make sure he has it out, whether for you you have basketball, you have this podcast, you have CrossFit, you now have the game that you've bought. So I think I know how important it is. And I've also had to learn. I used to come home and I had 5,000 things to say, really quickly, lord, anyways, and you were like, hey, I just got home, I need a second. So now, for the most part, before I start talking about my day, I say are you good, do you need a second?

Speaker 2:

Yeah, because you're walking, I'm like all right, like I am not a turkey.

Speaker 3:

Oh, definitely sound like right now. That's what you sound like when you walked in the house and started talking it kind of goes back to the important part of you have to learn your partner um.

Speaker 2:

But and have and have conversations. I could have easily just been annoyed and yeah and not say anything and at some point you're going to feel some type of way and you're going to blow up because you don't feel like you're being heard and I'm like I just physically can't. Nor do I want to hear you right now, not in a negative way. I just give me some time and then you can talk my ear off and I'll be there to listen.

Speaker 3:

Whatever Kind of goes back to. Not all confrontation is bad, correct you?

Speaker 2:

need to have it, especially if you want to have a strong relationship in anything.

Speaker 3:

Yeah.

Speaker 2:

Marriage.

Speaker 3:

Friendship.

Speaker 2:

Friendship, jobs, career it's a must. Yeah, what are some of the most significant mental health challenges men face today, or what do you think they are, and how can awareness of these issues improve relationship with women?

Speaker 3:

I think I really don't see a lot of like men mental health, whether it be like talking about, like counseling or, I think, just not having the knowledge of what an out is um and not having the safe place so you've talked about a safe place.

Speaker 2:

That's something that you keep bringing up. What? What do you think a safe place is for a man? Or how can a man cultivate that?

Speaker 3:

I think a safe place comes with having safe people. Um and what safe people mean? It's the person um a place where you can, like put your mask down, you don't have to pretend. Um, it's okay to say I'm not okay, um, I'm struggling, I need help, and you're not judged. You're helped, you're encouraged. Yeah, I think that's what a safe place is.

Speaker 2:

Gotcha. I think that's a good safe place for men yeah.

Speaker 3:

Wait, I have one thing to say about that. I try my best to make our home a safe place for you, which is why, like when you were like, hey, um, I need a second, stop talking. Or you know, today, right now, I'm not a good time. I stopped because I know a lot of times, um, I know, for my previous marriage, I used to sit in the car and not want to come inside because I was like I going inside was a lot and I don't want that for either one of us. So I make it to where I mean you may sit in your car because you want to edit your video and not get out, but you're not sitting in your car because you know when you walk through the door there's going to be chaos.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, yeah, and I think it goes both ways, because I try to make it a safe place for you.

Speaker 2:

I try to be more in my feelings so that it's not just always on.

Speaker 2:

When I come home I can relax and again I feel like, as men, the influence of our house goes, how our energy flows, and I think a lot of times, coming home from work and you know, fighting the world, we come home and we're vigilant and we're just trying to.

Speaker 2:

We're still fighting and the household picks up on the energy. That energy then becomes the energy of the household. So a lot of times it's important as a man to, when you get to your house, to reset and make sure that the energy that you want in the house is the energy that you bring into the house, because it's the energy that people are going to pick up on and it's the energy that then the house is going to become. So it's important that not only am I trying to create a safe place, but Yanni's also trying to create a safe place, and so it just becomes a lot safer when both people are coming into it with some level of understanding and trying to make sure that each other they're safe, they are heard in this relationship, so super important. What characteristics define a healthy male friendship and how can fostering these connections benefit women and create a more supportive environment?

Speaker 3:

So I think friendships can be an outlet for men if they're correct, um. I do believe that friendships you can have friends that are for you and good for you, and you can have friends that are not um and the ones that are not. I do believe, especially for men that are in committed relationships and married, it does affect, especially if they're like a bad influence. Now, with that being said, I think good male friends are just good friends in general. They encourage you, they uplift you, they challenge you, they push you. It kind of comes back to like that safe place or that safe person, someone that you can say you know I'm struggling, um, or hey, I have this idea and maybe they can help either um make that idea happen or kind of help you tailor that idea and push you to um make it happen yeah but I think it's just kind of another way for a man to be or to have their cup being filled.

Speaker 2:

Yeah.

Speaker 3:

So it's like you know you're getting, I guess, the cup filled from different angles.

Speaker 2:

And it kind of shows that it's okay for a man to be human. You don't have to again, like you said, put on this mask and try to act like you're tough and nothing hurts you. Yeah, you're tough and nothing hurts you, yeah. So how? How can a woman benefit from a man who is in a healthy relationship or friendship? Because the way I was about to say that it was gonna be with another man and that would have been like super weird. But how can women benefit from a healthy friendship that men have with each other?

Speaker 3:

I feel like a man having a healthy friendship. I don't know, it's like an extra fire in him, like he's. I think it's an extra added layer to a positive mindset, and a positive mindset rubs off on a female in many different ways depending upon how he leaves at home. So I just think it allows the man to have a clearer mindset. Um, and then also, I mean I don't know how if men talk like how females talk sometimes or we like ask for advice, so it can also help in that sense. Or maybe that guy can be like you know, hey, your anniversary's coming up, what are you doing for your wife, or what are you doing for your girlfriend, or, um, something from that angle.

Speaker 2:

So you can kind of help encourage the man to be a better man yeah, I can see that and I I would assume a lot of issues happen because there aren't enough healthy male friendships that are going to push men to not do crazy things or to hurt their family.

Speaker 2:

A lot of times, hell, in my first marriage, it's not that my friends wasn't telling me to not do it, but we were all just kind of having fun and partying and drinking and we were just kind of all on the same mindset and it's not a negative thing. But at one point someone has to then start to question like, hey, is this, is this sustainable for myself or family? Clearly it wasn't sustainable for me, but I'm not blaming alcohol or my friends. It's just there wasn't enough deeper conversations. Now there were conversations and sometimes the conversations got deep, but there wasn't enough conversations that challenged the things that we did. And I and I think that's super important because I think when men challenge, challenge other men, uh, that does like like a fire or it does kind of motivate you or help you open your eyes to see, okay, I am doing some dumb stuff. I need to fix it yeah, kind of goes back.

Speaker 3:

You know how relationships, um, I believe the Bible says you have to be like equally yoked. I feel like that's in all relationships. So you don't want a friend that you know, knows you're married and is having you doing stuff that a married man should not be doing, and those are not the friends you need to be hanging out with.

Speaker 2:

Well, no friends can make you do anything you don't want to do, true, I think the person uh, married or not is the one that wants to do it, and they should have friends to be like take your ass home because, uh, you don't need to be here yeah right, but yeah, I can see that. Um, I feel like we've already answered eight multiple times. Uh, nine. Why is mentorship crucial in shaping the next generation of men, and how can women play a role in fostering positive male mentorship?

Speaker 3:

so I think the role that we play is I'm here to support you so I'm just thinking about you and this year with teaching and coaching.

Speaker 2:

Yeah.

Speaker 3:

So we've had a lot of games after hours and a lot of things on the weekends. So for me, I know, especially from our conversations at home, that your students and your um players need you like they need to see a a uh, encouraging african-american man. That's consistent. So my role is it's kind of like, you know, when parents they send their kids out in their best. So my role is to make sure that I think anyone, excuse me you're fed, you're rested, you're hydrated.

Speaker 3:

Whatever I need to do to make sure that you're at your best for them, whatever it is I need to do to make sure that you're, from what I can control anyway, at your best. Some of that I know I can't control, but I know that I can get up, you know, 30, 45 minutes early to make your breakfast. Um, I know that I don't know if it really makes a difference, but you know me coming to your games on saturdays or being at the games after hours. You know they had to support for the most part. The good thing is, I know about sports, so it's not a complete blank to me, um, not only just being there but also talking to the parents and actually being involved. I feel like that makes it easier for you, so I'm not a burden or something you have to worry about.

Speaker 3:

When you're giving back Now, what that does for this next generation, I feel like you are planting a seed for them to break generational curses. I feel like you are showing them something a lot of them do not get to see on a day to day, even for myself. I think I had one male teacher that was African-American male and he taught. Actually, let me ask you, he was my middle school math teacher.

Speaker 3:

Oh, really, yeah, that was it yeah so we don't see a lot of you in the school district. I think you're showing them something different and with you and your personality, not only showing them, but you're challenging them to do different things, be different people don't be what society may want them to, kind of be.

Speaker 2:

So I don't know, these questions I might have to go back and tweak, because I feel like a lot of them were saying were kind of pushing a narrative or it kind of felt like it was going down the same hole, I don't know. Did you feel that way? Yeah, yeah, um, still going to put this podcast out because I still think it's important for people to hear this conversation. Yeah, but I definitely will go, and that's the beauty of life, that's the beauty beauty of knowing yourself or trying to be the best that you can possibly be as a person, sometimes, when things don't feel right or it feels like it's trying to push an agenda, because what I don't want is an agenda being pushed. Don't want is, uh, an agenda being pushed. What I want is people to come here and be, uh, fully transparent and open, uh, and vulnerable, which you was. But I feel like each question was trying to get you to say kind of the same thing.

Speaker 3:

So um, but I do have just something to say. I do want it's like for the ladies that are listening to this, the men in your life. Their mental health matters, so rather it's your, your boyfriend, your husband, your son, your grandfather, your uncle, um, whoever it is check in on them and they may tell you they're okay, because they don't. Sometimes, I feel like, especially younger, they don't quite know how to articulate their feelings if someone's not kind of guiding them through that process. They don't know. I feel like that's not something that's usually taught to men, and from the young men that I know, how are you doing? Good, I'm all right, so maybe start. We have what, what is it called?

Speaker 2:

The feelings will.

Speaker 3:

Give them something like that where they can start to get used to these other type of feelings outside of just good, bad, angry yeah, like they can start learning some different vocabulary on that. But also watch their actions. Different vocabulary on that, um, but also watch their actions, because sometimes they'll tell you they're okay, but maybe they're moving slower or maybe they're pulling away and they don't want to do certain things. Um, but just just, I hadn't had to tell aaron. I said, um, I think I'm for him, which I mean, for the most part, you're pretty open with, like, if you're having a bad day, you'll tell me. But I also just feel like there's an extra level with you being a veteran, that I just need to just be a little bit more aware. And it's not aware to where.

Speaker 3:

Every five seconds, I'm asking him if he okay, but watching some of the words he's saying and be like, hey, wait, you know what made you say that. But just be more curious, I guess, about your mental health or their mental health Sorry, I was talking about him and I said your. But being more curious about their mental health and, hey, just use it as a way to love on them a little extra and remind them that they matter them a little extra, and remind them that they matter and they matter more than just their paycheck or just the, you know, the security that they provide. Like to have a man that is emotionally available and is important.

Speaker 3:

Because I feel like, as females, we're emotional beings and our emotions can go from high, low and in between very quickly. So to have a man that is able to process the emotions and be able to read you when you're not even able to read yourself is important. But, as a female, it's important for us to create environments for them to be able to, I would say, tap into their feelings. Yeah, if you don't allow it, because a lot of times, you know, people say, you know you're emotional and that makes them somehow less of a man, which I think is just baloney, because everyone has feelings, everyone has emotions.

Speaker 2:

A fool's still emotional if he's punching your damn face.

Speaker 3:

He's emotional, he's very angry, he doesn't know how to process them, obviously.

Speaker 2:

Or punching a hole in the wall or doing crazy stuff. That's still emotions. It's just a negative way of looking at it. Emotions, it's just a negative way of looking at it. Um, so do you think there's?

Speaker 3:

a push for women to take the man spot. I I would say, if you like, especially heavy on social media and society. Yes, you know, the narrative is always um, I don't need a man, I can do it on my own, and that's. I don't you need a man. Girl, sis, you can't do it. I feel like, how do I? I'm not quite sure how to say it, so I'm just going to say it.

Speaker 3:

I feel like single moms that are raising boys that have that mindset of like I can raise my son by myself, you're only hurting your son in the long run. Um, I feel like boys need their dads, just like girls need their fathers. I, my father, was I don't want to say in and out, because he really wasn't even in. He's more out than in. Um, we kind of got it together now that I'm 34. I mean, I had a stepdad that was somewhat present, but we need a guy, so I think that's without having that father figure. It's kind of how those daddy issues come about. That makes me think do we ever talk about? Do boys have mommy issues?

Speaker 2:

Definitely. Oh no, daddy issues, Daddy issues. Yeah yeah, boys have daddy issues. I feel like that's something that probably is interesting, okay, yeah. Well, the mama's there, so they're not going to have mama issues.

Speaker 3:

No, I definitely said it wrong, but I meant daddy issues.

Speaker 2:

But young boys have daddy issues and those daddy issues usually a lot of times are the fear of abandonment. They don't want to be abandoned. They feel like they were part of the problem as to why their dad left. They have a hard time being loved because they make the assumption that their own father didn't love them, because if he loved them, why would he leave?

Speaker 2:

So you put a lot of pressure on yourself when you are in relationships and I think it causes a lot of issues. A lot of insecurities could create jealousy, because you want to make sure that that person isn't going to leave you. So you try to do all the things that make them not leave. But also you're mentally just not ready and you're thinking about all the bad things that are going to happen or you think are going to happen. So you try to hold on to this person. That might not even be good for you, but because you don't want to leave them, because you know how that feels and you don't want them to leave you, you're, you're just in like this negative space. That's from my assessment of it, but others could be different.

Speaker 3:

But yeah, there's definitely daddy issues but I feel like it sounds very similar to have like the female side yeah, for sure but I feel like, instead of abandonment at least for me anyway mine processed as I'm not worthy or I'm not enough, or something's wrong with me or you got to go find that man.

Speaker 3:

That's gonna make it feel better yeah, that's definitely how I got married the first time, tough running I was running. And that's exactly how I got married the first time, Running I was running, and that's exactly how that happened and I thought you know me not being worthy, or me thinking very little of myself and settling and then just picking a partner that you know, quote-unquote solved the issue by me getting married, Learned my lesson. That's not funny.

Speaker 2:

You were saying something about before you went to daddy issues. What were you saying?

Speaker 3:

I don't know, I totally forgot to why did you think I was gonna remember that? No, I don't know um. So yeah, uh so oh, let me do your closing no, I wasn't closing yet, oh okay.

Speaker 2:

So super important to have conversations with women women in your life. I'm a big believer in. Men cannot do it by themselves. Women cannot do it by themselves. The world is just so much better when we can come together, have tough conversations. We can come together, have tough conversations and try to figure out ways to collaborate, figure out ways to push each other and make each other better. And it's just super important that we don't fall into the narrative of what the world is trying to push on us when it comes to women and men and all the negativity that comes with women being women and men being men. There's beauty in the togetherness of it, but if you pull it apart and you try to pinpoint and look at all the negative things or make things negative about a man or a woman, it only gets worse because then you only see the negative side of it. So super important that we have these conversations with our spouses, with our daughters, our aunts, the people in your life that can give you some feedback to help you be a better man.

Speaker 3:

So if no one's told you today, we want to be the first to tell you that you are. You are loved, needed, wanted, valued, seen, appreciated.

Speaker 2:

Heard.

Speaker 3:

Heard, and God only made one. You. There's something that is inside of you that he wants to show the world. So be who God has called you to be, not who this world wants you to be. I feel like that's a bars.

Speaker 2:

That's not what I say, but that's.

Speaker 3:

I added a little extra pizzazz.

Speaker 2:

You added more than a little extra. You added your own damn ending, which is totally fine.

Speaker 3:

Not as partially. It's like half and half.

Speaker 2:

No, it's definitely not half and half. It was more like 10% me, and then it just went completely off. But we're going to keep it.

Speaker 3:

I gave you the standing in your truth ending yeah, we're going to keep it.

Speaker 2:

I hope you have a blessed weekend. Bye-bye.

Speaker 1:

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